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COMPARING PRE- & POST- TRIBULATION POINTS OF VIEW.


(Revised Notes prepared by members of the 'G.O. Fellowship'; Our beliefs noted by *)

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BELIEF.

PRE-TRIBULATION 'RAPTURE' THEORY.

POST-TRIBULATION COMING & RESURRECTION DAY.

Return of Jesus to Earth

Two-part return, first to the air for Christians. Second part to Earth.

One only glorious, visible Return, to this Earth, after meeting all 'Saints' in the air. Believers taken for the meeting, & return.

Resurrection

'Church-age' Christians Only, (Not O.T. saints.) (Jews & others later.#)

All true Believers of all time raised in the First Resurrection-One only 'Resurrection Day' for 'Saints'!

Anti-christ, (False-Messiah)

Does not appear till after 'the rapture' of Christians.

Takes world control after world anarchy develops, (post Eze 38/39) before S/Coming.

Tribulation

Thought to be 7 years.

Tribulation in 2 parts of 3.5 years, 2nd severe but each day shortened - affects Christians.

God's wrath.

Tribulation & judgement believed to be the same.

God's wrath not same as Great Tribulation, after - and probably a much shorter time.

Spiritual salvation of the Jews.

Jews become Believers in Jesus when they see Him, at the time of the Rapture.

Jews will be delivered earlier at the time of the 'Ezekiel war' & 'all Israel will be saved by Faith alone * & bless the world. Isa.19: 25.

A SPECIAL INTERLUDE ~ *Possibly - a few months for the A/C to set everything up, during which the Gospel will spread fast in & from M.E. * ? Joel 2: 28 – 32. A time of great revival could come in here? *

Jewish relationship with the Anti-christ.

Jews make a treaty with the Anti-christ for 7 years.

The Anti-christ will make a separate 7 year Treaty with Israel not to be part of A/C Global (One world) Government /UNO.

Jews return to Israel.

In the Tribulation as Believers, and send out 144,000 missionaries. #

A/C will order ALL Jews to return * to Israel, which will become holy & glorious, Isaiah 60:1-3, (& bless as a 'sheep' nation.)

More converts to Jesus?

The Jews will win many 'tribulation saints'. Both will suffer trouble.

After taking the Anti-christ's implanted evil Mark, no one can become a new Christian - they can only worship the Devil.*

Any hope for Christians? (The Church.)

Christians have all gone. (i.e. The Church.)

Many Christians will go to Israel, with Jews (Zechariah 8:23) but be protected there * also Jews during the period of Tribulation 'Bowl Judgements.' (Rev. 16:2) *

The 'Marriage Supper Of the Lamb'.

Christians enjoy it for 7 Years maybe in Heaven.

Possibly this will be during the Earthly reign of Jesus for 1000 Years -only a prelude to Eternity. *

The Millennium. (1000 year reign)

After the second part of the Second Coming.

After the great events of the one - event Glorious Second Coming.

Proponents

C. Missler, Grant Jeffery, Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Ron Gaff, Greg Laurie, Jack Kinsella, Jan Markell, Bill Koenig, Hal Lindsay, Jack Van Imp and many other Bible Teachers. Most Bible teachers

George Eldon Ladd, Alex Reese. David Pawson, Dr Gavin Finley, Richard Perry, Tim Warner, Kato Mivale, Dr Robt Gundry, Sheila Sternberg, R Totten. [For many very famous teachers please see here.] (G.O. Fellowship Beliefs ****)



Please note, Rev, David Pawson has written a book called:
‘WHEN JESUS RETURNS’.

Published by Hodder & Stoughton – available in N. It is really four books in one:
A. The Approaching Advent. B. The Revelation Riddle.
C.
The Rapture Rationale. D. The Millennium Muddle.


THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE TWO MAIN STREAMS
OF TEACHING, OUT OF SEVERAL.


PRE & POST TRIBULATION’ – ‘SECOND COMING’ QUESTIONS.
A study of reasons for looking carefully at this wonderful subject.
WE FEEL THIS SUBJECT IS ONE THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT AGAIN,
USING SETS OF COMPARATIVE VIEWS FOR YOUR OWN STUDY.
WE GIVE OUTLINES ONLY HERE -FOR YOUR GUIDENCE.


SCRIPTURAL EXPLANATIONS OF THE FUTUREis the next article, giving our conclusions.

A ‘Cute’ Story. Somewhere I read of a senior teacher who had an unusual way of teaching his students, who were keen to win scholarships. He gave them copies of the exam questions they would face at the end of the course. He had found that this way, they really wanted to study and learn, not just to qualify, but to do so with top level achievements! This is such a good picture of the Christian life. God’s Eternal Life, His ‘salvation’, (-His precious way of saving us from a doomed after-life), is His free gift to anyone who will believe that His own Son has already made the payment! But then He loves to find ways of rewarding those who have become His royal family members! “To achieve with distinction”. It is not long before we discover that this means facing tests. For us, it means rethinking according to God’s value systems. Whoever will lose his life will save it,” Yeshua/ Jesus said! “How blessed are those who are persecuted because they pursue righteousness, for the Kingdom of Heaven is theirs! How blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you and tell all kinds of vicious lies about you –because you follow Me! Rejoice, be glad – because your reward in Heaven is great.” Matthew 5: 10 –12. [J.N.T.] Yeshua/ Jesus/ Isa calls us to costly discipleship!

It seems we are in a time when success in the world is measured in the opposite way. BUT -God’s love wants the highest and best for us, so He gives us the opportunity to turn the evil directed at us, into an investment for a glorious future! He also looks to present a perfect Bride to His Son –a Bride who will glorify Him!

Should we be getting ready for the ‘Wedding Day’ during these ‘End Times’?
The nearer we, as ‘The Bride of Messiah’ get to His return, the more activity and preparations need to be made. Being mentally and spiritually prepared is part of that. We heard of a bride who had all the arrangements in place for a big wedding –but as she was not spiritually and mentally prepared, she ran away the day before -and hid! Surely this is the very reason so much of Yeshua/ Jesus’ teaching, as well as those of the Apostles was directed to this topic. How sad if the message is confused! It is for this reason, we have felt it was important to present a ‘post Tribulation’ teaching for anyone who would like to consider it. Not just to be different. If gaining a valuable ‘scholarship’ requires us to be ready for a ‘testing time’ surely we need to be prepared for this greatest test of all time, don’t we?

What if there is no ‘testing time’ as told in the ‘Pre-Tribulation Rapture’ theory?
The various theories of the End Times and the events and personalities, (the False-messiah & the false Prophet, etc,) which are seen to be relevant to those times, are constantly being explained on radio and in many books and even video and film presentations, such as the ‘Left Behind’ series. Some of these may be good for being thought provoking, or challenging, or even 'comforting'. But- if they are not, as time passes actually seen to be the truth, then they are not just ‘judgements of human error’, they are lies, and as such, should be called lies. Paul told us, in End times people will believe lies, simply because they did not want to believe the truth!

There are three sad aspects of believing anything that is not true:
1. If it becomes too late to make changes in our understanding and the result places us in a position of confusion and wrong decisions, because we were not properly prepared, this is tragic. It is like a person swallowing what they thought was a medical cure, but finding it was not, but a harmful substance. An example might be if there is no ‘pre-tribulation rapture’ for true Christians, and Believers one day are faced with torture or death in another ‘holocaust’ if they do not renounce their faith during the reign of the False-messiah, (called the ‘Anti-christ’). How will they react? Scripture teaches us to be watching and to be ‘prepared’ ahead of time.

2. False prophets or teachers are to be severely punished (in New Testament terms -by God – not man), especially if the accuracy of Scripture and God’s warnings come under question. This is serious issue. (See Daniel 11:35.) Teachers take on a serious responsibility, especially if they are trusted, without question. James 3: 1.

3. It is just as bad if good people are deterred from seeking the real truth, and settle for false teaching, or live in total apathy, because they were not able or willing to search out the truth for themselves. It reminds us of the Disciples who said to the unrecognised, risen Yeshua/ Jesus, “but we had hoped…” They had all the right teaching, but their eyes had been blinded to what the Scriptures and Yeshua, their Teacher had really said! Each of us has a responsibility.

What opportunities and ways are there to find the truth?
Giving wrong messages is dishonouring to God, especially when He has gone to trouble to write the warnings and encouragements in His Word. But accepting the teaching of others, without careful checking and prayerful consideration is just as bad. In these days, we have books, tapes, videos, web-sites and the precious written Word of God in many translations to help us, and greater opportunities of education to study and learn than at any time in history. We should use these things, trusting God’s Spirit to teach each of us. The responsibility is on each person, especially if they are a parent, a teacher or a leader, to find out the truth for themselves, from God’s Word first.
[You just may find our article, ‘
Explanations & Meanings of words’ a help.]

Is it helpful to learn about the different points of view?
It is important to seek alternative perspectives
under the direction of the Holy Spirit, which comes by prayer, careful re-reading of the Bible and study. (This may include debate, or listening to a different point of view by a Christian person.) This can enable us to come to helpful conclusions. Above all, we need the grace to become more holy, and more wholly in line with what GOD desires for our own lives and for the world. The basic principles of God’s Word provide our guidelines. We (in the G.O.Fellowship) would rather give a message of warning, that say nothing.


AN IMPORTANT FOUNDATION FOR CONSIDERING THESE QUESTIONS
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There are ‘key’ guidelines to what the BIBLE says and are of great importance.
There are ‘key’ guidelines to what the BIBLE says and are of great importance.
(See if you agree with these. We just list them, to keep it simple.)


THESE BASIC BELIEFS REGARDING THE SECOND COMING ARE:

1. The evangelisation of the world. This is God’s first and main priority. Matt 25: 14.
2. The restoration of the Jewish people to their original place in God,
A holy Nation, glorifying God in a very visible way. Ezekiel 36: 23, Romans 11.
3. Israel/Jews then being a very important part of spreading the Gospel. Isa. 19:25.
4. The world knowing Who the true God is, before it comes under the cruel reign of the False-messiah. Ezekiel 36: 21 -23, & Matthew 25: 14 & 15 (taken together.)
5. The Believers being kept ‘faithful unto death’, even, to the End. Matthew 25:13.
6. Righteousness triumphing over evil at the Return of Jesus Messiah. 2 Thes. 1: 6-8.
7. The Return of Yeshua/Jesus to Reign with His People on Earth. Rev. 11: 15.

[Each of these aspects will be explained in other articles, so keep looking, please. You can search out the Scriptures that agree with these, yourself.]


But first:

HERE IS A SUMMARY OF THE TWO MAIN LINES OF BELIEF & TEACHING, ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE SECOND COMING OF THE LORD JESUS.


The Post-Tribulation point of view is indicated in red.

One believes in two parts of the Second Coming.

-But another believes- in a one event only Second Coming.

One believes in 2, maybe 3 resurrection days for Believers.

-But another believes- in only one resurrection Day for all true Believers.

One believes the Christians (since Pentecost) will be raptured in a first part Coming.

-But another believes- in one Resurrection Day for all O.T. & N.T. Believers.

One believes the Christians (since Pentecost) will be raptured before the Tribulation.

-But the other believes- many Christians will have to go through a time of Tribulation.

One believes the Tribulation is the same as God's Judgement.

-But the other believes- the Tribulation is separate from a time of Judgement.

One believes the Jews will be left behind after the Rapture.

-But the other believes- all true Believers will be on Earth, in the time of Tribulation.

One believes people will be able to become Christians in the time of tribulation.

-For this writer after taking the 'mark' there will be no more opportunity to change.

One believes the Jews will evangelise the world during the Tribulation.

-This writer believes Israel will become a 'sheep' nation, helping suffering Christians.

[Please see “SCRIPTURAL EXPLANATIONS OF THE FUTURE” on this web-site.]


STATING CLEARLY WHAT WE AT ‘G.O. FELLOWSHIP’ BELIEVE.
We believe in a one Coming of Yeshua/ Jesus to Earth, at a ‘Post-Tribulation’ Rapture & Resurrection for all true Believers by faith in Him, who have trusted God’s Word.

[Please note we do not believe in a ‘Pre-wrath Rapture’ either, for the same reasons.]

We repeat what believe –as given in the list above, for YOU to check out:


[To try to be simple & clear we omit Scripture references here –see next article.]

  • In ONE ‘Second Coming’ of Yeshua, (not two parts), on one great ‘Rapture’ Day.

  • In ONE Resurrection day for all Believers, (Jews too), of all time, meeting in the air.

  • On the SAME DAY, a Resurrection day for ‘Old Testament’ Believers, also

  • That Yeshua’s Coming is to EARTH, having met all Believers in the air ‘en route’.

  • We believe the time of 3.5 yrs. Tribulation is different from the time of Judgement.

  • The Gentile Christians, at the time of the Anti-christ will suffer in the Tribulation.

  • To us it seems that all Jews will have become Believers in Yeshua before this time.

  • The Anti-christ will be like Pharaoh at first & demand all Jews return to Israel.

  • There will be a new acceptance & ONENESS between Jewish & Gentile Believers.

  • JEWS will be kept safe in Eretz Israel but Christians will suffer in the Tribulation,

  • Some Christians will be able to go to Israel (or stay there) and be safe in Israel.

  • Once people accept the ‘mark of the Beast’ there will be no more turning to Jesus.

  • So, Jewish Believers will not be evangelists during the actual time of Tribulation.

  • Israel, as God’s ‘Sheep Nation’ will help persecuted Christians, “brothers of Jesus.”

ANOTHER WAY FOR YOU TO STUDY THIS QUESTION FROM YOUR BIBLE.
Ask yourself:


1. How many Resurrections days will there be for true Believers?
The word ‘rapture’ is a good word for the exciting gathering of the Believers into the air at the Coming of Jesus. But this means that whoever is ‘raptured’ is given a ‘resurrection body’ at that moment, “in the twinkling of the eye” otherwise how could they rise into the air to meet Jesus? We believe in one glorious ‘rapture’, where all saints of all time will be resurrected –united with a real, but ‘spiritual body’, instantaneously by God’s great power! This is ‘the First Resurrection’ –for Believers only, but all, from every age whose ”Faith has been counted for righteousness.”

2. Why should end-time Jews be enabled to accept Yeshua when they see Him?
(Most ‘pre-trib teachers say that Jews accept Yeshua when they see Him at the ‘Rapture’ -the ‘first part’ of the Second Coming.) For us, the whole of Scripture indicates that a real relationship with God is based only on faith/ or trust in God’s Word, alone. Your study could start at Hebrews chapter 11 – a book especially written for Jewish people! Look at verse 6! The whole Bible teaches that ‘faith’ is essential.

3. Why would God divide His Jewish people from His redeemed, mainly Gentile Body?
The subject of Israel, we feel is ‘glossed over’ in many studies by ‘Pre-tribulation’ teachers. But the leader of a world Jewish outreach ministry at a seminar for Jewish Messianic people, attended by this writer, recently, gave a 45 minute talk about why Jews would go through 3.5 years of tribulation, after ‘the Rapture’, (of Christians.) This is partly why this web-site is dedicated to the study of ‘Israel’s Future’. It seems even on the human level, hard to understand why Jews, chosen, called, and greatly loved by God, would have Yeshua shown to them, then leave them in the world during this time. This is where you need to carefully reread Matthew 24, especially verse 21 & 22. Also Romans chapters 9 –11. If Gentile Believers are grafted into the ‘Olive tree’ of God’s Family/ Kingdom, would God then take part away somehow?

4. Why would ‘left behind’ people be given another chance to accept Yeshua/ Jesus?
The whole teaching of the books that promote this, suggests people at the End Time will be more favoured than at any other time in history, by being given another opportunity to accept the salvation they disregarded before. We simply suggest that we in this time, have more Bibles, books, videos, churches, outreaches –more opportunities to hear and respond to God’s news of redemption/ salvation than in any time in history. Greater privileges, bring greater responsibilities. ‘Now’ is God’s time!

5. See if there any Scriptures that say that Yeshua/ Jesus returns after the tribulation of those days”? Also, who can prove that the references to ‘saints’ suffering in Daniel and Revelation are not all Believers in Yeshua at the End time? These are only some of the questions you could take seriously as you find answers for yourself. We believe in the right of every Believer -to answer to God alone.

FINALLY…
There are some people who say it is not worth getting involved in questions about this subject. They feel it is ‘un-loving’ to cause dissension by bringing out different points of view. Certainly, as we have said in other places, our relationship or ‘salvation’ is based on our trust in the final sacrifice for sin, made by the Lamb of God, who we know as Yeshua or Jesus or Isa, God’s only, perfect Son. Yet, as He is Truth, the Holy Spirit is Truth, and God is the God of Truth who has given us the Word of Truth, we need to find the TRUTH on this special subject, as obedient children. Do you agree?

We are glad you have read this study, and trust it will encourage you.


AS YOU STUDY THESE QUESTIONS & SCRIPTURES, GOD WILL LEAD YOU.

YOU ARE INVITED TO NOW READ OUR ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS,
OR CONTACT US WITH OTHER QUESTIONS AFTER READING:
SCRIPTURAL EXPLANATIONS OF THE FUTURE
.

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